Mike, it is your "team" that uses the Christian religion as it's basis for taking away the rights of women, gays, minorities, and pretty much anyone else who doesn't agree with their narrow view point on social issues so I say it is fair game to ask these same hypocrites "what would Jesus do" when it comes to economic issues.

Also how exactly is a guy who made his money outsourcing US jobs and a VP that voted for TARP, two unfunded wars, and ALL of Bush Jr's spending increases the right men to "lead this country out of depressed economy"?

Mike - you got it wrong.

The President has been leading us out of the woods. It is the GOP setting traps along the way.

The religious stuff comes from the constant drum-beat of the
"President is a Kenyan/Muslim/Atheist" garbage spewed from the RW Bat Guano crowd.

The very delicious irony here is that Paul Ryan really believes the Ayn Rand junk.
He has acted on it in what he proposes.

An argument can be solidly made that Mitt Romney's actions are more in line with an Ayn Rand acolyte than anyone marching into a Temple anywhere.

President Obama's Stewardship of this country on Obamacare alone trumps anything the GOP has done for the past 4 years...

BTW - I am a moderate - and not a liberal.

FWIW, I don't see what Mitt Romney has done that is so flipping great.
What normal people are coming forward to say I worked for this guy and I'll vouch for him.

When Mitt has to defend himself against people saying, "Mitt killed my wife with his policies", I don't think he is playing a strong philosophical hand.

Lemme know when he releases his taxes...

Joe: You lose all credibility with me when you bring up the guy claiming his wife died of cancer because of a Bain acquisition. That's been debunked with prejudice. (http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/is-romney-to-blame-for-cancer-death/) It does however fit in nicely with the rest of this post.

Obamacare as the President's "Big Accomplishment" over the past four years only highlights the fact that, when the country needed strong economic leadership, the Democrats - led by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid - spent HUGE amounts of time and political capital on an "accomplishment" that did absolutely nothing to provide corrective action - or Leadership - for the economy.

And given the sparse real world accomplishments of The President before he entered The Oval Office, Mitt Romney looks like Superman.

so why all the fuss about the Romney Spokesperson who was saying something about if the guy lived in Mass. instead of Indiana he would have been ok.

you guys need a better script approval process...

you gotta be kidding - you already got his birth certificate.

you gotta be kidding - what exactly do you hope to learn from his tax returns?

what percentage he pays relative to everyone else...

if he is a proud rich guy he should show the pride that comes with gaming the system.

The thinking voter will see Romney suspect as long as he refuses to release 10-12 years of returns as Obama did. This only begs to question his trustworthiness, honesty, and sadly, what he is hiding. Most candidates will attempt to show their best side during a campaign. If this is Romney's good side, i don't want to see his bad side!

ty i appreciate it.

i am glad you can feel.
that is a start.

Funny, I seem to remember hearing the same thing about Palin...."liberals" were scared to death of the pretty hockey mom. How did that work out for you?

Tom are you related to the noob Bartman that messed up the Cubs chances to go to the world series a while back? You two appear to be level intelligence wise.

I'll be smiling on November 7th when you are the rest of the tea baggers are on suicide watch when Romney/Ryan go down in flames.

Richard - why do you want to watch them commit suicide?

Yes, how did those green investments work out?

125 years later, wind power still needs a subsidy... -- http://icecap.us/index.php/go/icing-the-hype

Flashback: 14,000 wind turbines abandoned along American landscape... -- http://www.naturalnews.com/034234_wind_turbines_abandoned.html

I won't even go into solar, or GM's Volt.

Wind farms are thriving in Iowa and even Republicans from that side are walking away from Romney's plans to cut tax credits for wind turbines. Where do you go to college Bartman? Let me guess "school of hard knocks".

Stupid is as stupid does....

i am sorry tim - you don't get to define me.

i am a moderate -
I keep my hands off the right wings guns and out of the left wing's uterus.
do you like your hands in the left wing's uterus?

btw, the Beautides ARE the roadmap placed out there by Christ.
Please read the Gospels they are just 4 short books.

Sorry Joe, you can define yourself any way you want. But that doesn't mean it isn't accurate. You are about as liberal as they come. .... and I have studied all four Gospels for most of my life. You are still wrong.

Tim since you said "Sorry Joe, you can define yourself any way you want. But that doesn't mean it isn't accurate"; does that mean I can define you as a weak minded, brainwashed bigot? Because that is what you appear to be.

you need more studying Tim.

"Meet the Romney's"--to frightening to contemplate.

"......and how sad we let them." Sad but true. We get the government we deserve. Yada Yada Yada. Another election season of Bull Sh*t. Who wants to be a Millionaire, Americas got talent, Dancing with the stars, and Big Brother all rolled into one. If either candidate wins the result will be the same. What about other candidates? There are other people running for office this year but the reality show media will only mention the chosen ones. Talk about the economy and bringing jobs back. How are they going to bring them? In a bag? Maybe they will fly over and drop them out of a helicopter!

The only way the economy can come back is if you start buying things that are made here. When was the last time you bought something that was made around here? Buying things we make here is the way we can create jobs here.

We need Quality Affordable Health Care. We're going bankrupt funding insurance company profits. I am not for obama care my only hope is that it will lead to state run health care with pennsylvania having it's own single payer system. Here it is healthcare4allpa.org. Instead of Bull Sh*t tell me what is your solution?

More BS about Solyndra. The program was started under George Bush the main reason it failed is the Chinese flooded the world with cheap solar panels. I have two solar hot water panels on my roof that were made in America. They provide 100% of my hot water. My electric water heater has been off for over a year.
The remark about wind subsidies a joke. Solar energy is already cheaper than fossil fuel. The reason the change doesn't come faster is greed. money from the rich and big energy corporations.
Take a look around. Empty stores. Crumbling infrastructure. Dwindling economy. Thank you Republicans and Democrats.

the article is not about judgement,
it is about how people think who follow different philosophies.

ok - I will call you and raise you on that...

1 - There are a number of religions that say there needs to be a choice when a mother's life is at stake - including Judiasm (I am throwing that out there because Jesus is Jewish). Please reconcile who's religion takes precedence here.

Now it's Obama's fault that Pottstown is a dump? LOL! That place has being going down hill since the 1980s.

The Phoenixville Area School District, specifically the High School, was just ranked by US News and World Report as one of the best in the state according to test scores.

You are against Pell Grants and giving kids a shot at college too? Figures as based on your statements you never attended any institution of higher education.

Mr. "Hurtz", your comments fail to address anything that I commented on, and your assumption that I never attended college is incorrect.
The Coventry mall is not located within Pottstown borough, but instead is in North Coventry twp, Chester county. The many stores that have closed there have done so during the Obama administration, and serve as an example of how that administration has failed to turn things around. I blame President Obama for failing to strenghen the American economy.
The Phoenixville School District aquired expensive solar panels with grant money received from the federal government...your tax dollars. The District then wanted to sell the panels to a private enterprise, in what is truly a scam on the part of our government. When State Sen. Andrew Dinniman's office (who awarded the grant) was asked if the panels, aquired through a grant, could be sold, they didn't know the answer and failed to respond with any other info. The public still doesn't know if the sale happened, as the media and government have intentionally quelled this information, but this scam has taken place all over the country, and the Obama administration perpetrated this scam.
And finally, citing the preservation of Pell grants as an accomplishment, is laughable as our children are nearly illiterate. Tax dollars spent on K-12 are being wasted...how could you believe tax money spent on Higher Ed would be effective?
Little wonder your richard hurtz, from being yanked by the gov't.

truthsayer:

1) Blaming the President for local businesses closing is a joke! Period. Downtown Phoenixville, Limerick, and Oaks all seem to be doing decent. Should Obama get "credit" for that? PLEASE! The Coventry Mall is a dump and it has lost a significant number of customers to the "Philadelphia Outlets" just down 422 which is the main reason for their closings. The fact that you made this moronic claim ruins the credibility of all the comments that follow it.

2) I am unaware of any solar panel "scam" regarding the Phoenixville High School. I will look into it and make my own conclusions. Again based on your simple minded notion that Obama caused stores to close in the Coventry Mall, I have serious doubts about anything else you have to say.

3) Maybe YOU and YOUR kids are "nearly illterate" but what does that have to do with other kids or even adults returning to school getting a chance to get a college degree? Pell Grants are a drop in the bucket regarding our overall budget. How about we cut more useless military spending instead (over 20% of our total budget).

You know what....vote for Romney. Your uninformed vote will end up canceled out my the many informed ones. If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest man in America. You should try to hook up with "Rosemary" from this forum. You two would get along great.

wow for someone hiding behind a name truthsayer you are running with pretty warped 'facts'.

i got 3 kids thru the public school system that i would say are probably more literate than you are.

you want to rip the education system up so it can become yet another inefficient profit center?

sorry dude - ain't happening.

So you cannot provide any evidence of how President Obama is "leading us out of the woods". An unsustantiated claim on your part?
Now you claim that your children have received a better education than I have. Where is proof of that claim? Submit something they wrote for me to read, and if they can spell, and construct a coherent paragraph, I will concede that they at least learned some skills in public school, but I remain skeptical, based on all the children and young adults I have seen who are woefully uneducated.
All I see from the Obama supporters are insults, attacks, inferences, namecalling, etc., and no sustantive evidence of anything Obama has done to rebuild America.
Sorry "Dude", but neither you nor Hurtz have said anything that shows me you are thoughtful, intelligent people, with any factual evidence to support President Obama in his bid for four more years.
I am asking you to convince me that you are correct in your beliefs, but you are going to have to do more than belittle me, or the republicans, in order to do that.
Here is your chance to show me the error of my ways. I'm waiting.

I think this is a cute link to start with...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCTPCWWvYDk&feature=player_embedded

how about this link?
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php/

or do i have to cut and paste everything for you?

how about this one?

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

is it "here with you" or "here within you"?

Hey Bill, if you are a student of the lord like I; you would know this:
Let all of us enjoy in the warmth of the Lord and everyone rejoice & Lets fu.k some whor.s. Ronnie Mund Vol 69 ver.69.
God bless Ronnie Mund
btw Mr Richard Hurtz cannot be included in the fun because his richard is hurting. Let us pray for him.

OK - I took a look at your link - this is the core of what you are (the cocktail napkin version).
Please correct me if I am wrong...
"The Objectivist ethics holds that human good does not require human sacrifices and cannot be achieved by the sacrifice of anyone to anyone. It holds that the rational interests of men do not clash—that there is no conflict of interests among men who do not desire the unearned, who do not make sacrifices nor accept them, who deal with one another as traders, giving value for value."

Are you talking about human sacrifices like throwing virgins into a volcano?
Or are we talking about the human sacrifices (physical or economic) a parent makes for their child?
Or are we talking about the human sacrifices (physical or economic) a uniformed citizen who protects us and our country?
Somewhere along the line you may be asked to make a sacrifice for someone else. You will get nothing in return. The sacrifice may even hurt you or even kill you.
The choice you make defines you.

- A mother trading her life for her child’s after a difficult pregnancy. She loses everything.
- A guy breaking up a street fight who gets clocked.
- A Marine (or other service guy) giving it up for their platoon.
Enough of these people offering to sacrifice for one another makes our society better.
There is a reason some states are called Commonwealths. We need to get back to that.

cont...

So what happens when you are worn out and cannot negotiate anymore?
Are you fair game for the next hoarder to pick over your carcass?

What happens when our society runs out of resources?
You will have nothing to trade and you will become worthless.
What will we devolve to – I guess you liked the Mad Max movies…

Later on in your link you talk about rational. Who defines ‘rational’?

Rand likes to construct a world based on logic.
Logic isn’t a strong enough tool to construct a universe.
There are too many inherent flaws.
You can hide behind this warped form of ‘Philosophy’ of the Selfish. It just gives cover for you to act in a small manner and do nothing but take. You are given the OK to hoard.
Go collect your crap.

sorry - Rand's intellectual eye was clouded by her anger at anyone organized to things for others.

she was a psychological basketcase who turned her mind towards justifying evil.

Psychologism and ad hominem. You have a false prejudiced view of Rand. Give up the ghost and try to see things for what they are.

When Rand states that man's purpose is to achieve happiness that is the end not the beginning of her argument. She doesn't start there rationalistically and deduce a code of values. She follows Aristotle's approach and treats ethics and the rest of philosophy as though it were like a science. She looks out at reality starts from there, gathers data, draws conclusions, and then makes general inductive principles. Only after a long process of thought did she come to the conclusion that egoism is man's proper mode of life.

she is treating life as a bunch of transactions.
when you are tapped out you are worthless.

just look at the attitudes of the GOP towards healthcare or government help.
It all stems from "what can you do" or "people who can't produce are inferior"

it gives them the justification withhold what is needed from those really in need.

I will take Christ's attitudes on this any day of the week.

Again you are mistaken. Rand did propose that we treat all human interaction as though it were a (voluntary) trade but she in no way said this all reduces to economics. Her stance is not some form of social Darwinism or relations of utility, saying "What can you do for me?". If you watch the Mike Wallace interview she talks about the form of currency between lovers or friends is values. People respond to values in other people. People selfishly benefit from the values they share with other people and their lives are greatly enhanced. There is no finite sum of values. One does not get "tapped out" in the realm of values. The way relations dissolve between people is if they don't live up to their professed values. This is all expressed in Rand's description of the virtues of justice, integrity, honesty, and independence. As for the political manifestation I recommend her essays "Man's Rights" and "The Nature of Government" http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=objectivism_advessays

sorry Bill -
I will ask you how Ayn Rand is like Christ?

Paul Ryan is the guy running around saying how much He loves Her for years.

I am saying that Paul Ryan cannot serve 2 masters.
Is it Rand or Christ?

I am saying it is mutually exclusive.